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VINCE KARALIUS |
GREAT BRITAIN - St. Helens, Widnes |
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Vince
Karalius is alive and well, living in retirement
on the Isle of Man.
(Many thanks to Harry Edgar, Editor of the great
RL Mag, the Rugby League Journal)
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Tom Van Vollenhoven Try - set up by Alex Murphy and Alan Prescott.
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Harry Edgars Rugby League
Journal -- a great read...subscribe now |
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See Interview No07 -
for a great Interview with Vinty |
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Website for a great UK Rugby League Magazine covering
the good old days.. highly recommended, just click the
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For too long Australian Test teams allowed themselves
to be baited into fighting against England, at the expense
of their football skills. Vince Karalius was one of those
Englishmen who could dish it out like this while still
playing constructive football - thanks Jason Buffier |
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Keith Tomlinson sent
the EOTB an extract taken from the book, "The
Memories and Sporting Life of Tom Mitchell |
Great Britain |
1958 |
10/12/2003 |
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This was the match where the British captain Alan Prescott broke
his arm in the 3rd minute of the match and continued to play
for the whole game.
In the 29th minute David Bolton the GB stand-off broke his
clavicle and took no further part in the match and Vince Karalius
moved from loose forward to stand off. Vince took quite a
few dumpings but at half time Britain led 10 -2.
This is how Tom MItchell decribed the GB dressing room at
that half-time break, " The British dressing room - all
unbowed. Fitness of almost a supernatural quality was beginning
to tell. I sat down beside the Captain. His arm merely carried
several folds of bandaging. The doctor in attendance at the
game was summoned. His verdict was a positive one, "This
man cannot continue - and it must not be considered".
But when the team rose to go out Alan led them. If he hadn't
done so the game was over - the Quest for the Ashes blown
away. He switched places with prop McTigue when he thought
it was better to do so. He gathered the ball, he ran, he dictated
the pattern of play and he tackled well with his good arm.
Only those present at the game had any idea of the man's naked
courage.
The team went out with Karalius at the far side of the dressing
room still on the bench. "Vinty we are out. Come on"
"Sorry, Thomas, can't - it's me back". I got in
behind him and did enough to get him standing up. Slowly across
the room to the sunlit opening leading to the pitch - then
a step or two and like a boxer getting up after a knockdown,
he teetered with a push onto the arena, gaining movement with
every stride. Without him on the field the position was the
same as the Captain - certain defeat. How he stood up to the
first ten minutes I will never know as my eyes steered their
gaze from him to Prescott. As I write this 39 years on I permit
myself a heartfelt "Phew! No Ashes! No basking in the
future unending sunshine of happening to be there as Team
Manager."
Great Britain went on to win the match 25 - 18 and went on
to win the
Third Test 40 - 17 to clinch the Ashes.
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From Geoff / Elaine |
Widnes |
early 1970's |
13/01/2004 |
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A story about an incident involving
big Jim Mills and Bill Ashurst, when Karalius was coaching Wigan
First against Wigan at homein aleague game in the 1970's. Bill
Ashurst, no small man himself riled Jim until Jim just took
matters in his own hands. He was dispatched with a punch or
two, at a play the ball I think. Mills walked Ashurst was carried
off on a stretcher out cold. It is alleged on his return to
the living he said" Vinty can get someone else to rile
him next time!" Karalius was coaching Wigan at the time.
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Viking |
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You have a picture showing Andy
Greg and Kurt
Sorensen scrapping with gentleman Mick Adams looking on!!
viking
means this one "Quigs"
Ironically all 3 played for the Widnes club in the UK!! Are
we the hardest club? we
also had Vinty Karalius, Jim Mills and Kevin
Tamati... whilst our Hulme
brothers were labelled by gary freeman as the dirtiest men he'd
ever
played against. And he should know!!More recently Penrith Rock
Steve
Carter played for us too. Hail to the Chemics.. the Worlds hardest
team.
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Colin - Widnes UK |
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I remember vinny on and off the
field, as a friend
of my family and he scared me just looking at him. He used to
tell me
he lost his finger in a fight when someone bit it off.
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Dom Smith |
Widnes |
1983 |
10/10/2003 |
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Seen both boyd and sorenson play first hand and
both were ferocious competitors, but even as a widnes fan
and it erk's me
to say it about an ex warrington player boyd just edges the
hard man
award for me.
however i did not have the pleasure of seeing
Karalius play
in the flesh but the stories i have heard about vinty lead
me to
believe he was a bit of an animal.
However i did speak to
him on the phone
once (1983) when i was junior player (a mutual family friend
had arranged
the call)
I had a big game the following week and i asked
him what his
secret was.
He was real gentleman (on the phone anyway) and
then after
a long chat he simply said his secret was always try your
best and oh
eat plenty of cream cakes the night before the match
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Peter Fallon Widnes,
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I watched Vinny Karalius as a youngster,he was the
toughest player I have ever seen but was seldom dirty.
As for being mad he tells in his autobiography about the time
that he thought it would
be fun to jump from the Widnes to Runcorn bridge
[to you Australians England's answer to the Sydney Harbour
bridge]
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Tony Morris, Wigan |
Wigan |
1970 |
00/00/2005 |
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Karalius was coach at Wigan in the 70's.
There
was some dispute over wages by the players and there was some
muttering
behind Karalius' back.
After training, Karalius confronted
the whole
team and said he was stepping outside in the corridor.
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said that he
would fight more than one Wiganer at a time and all they had
to do was
follow him outside.
He waited in the corridor for 5-10 minutes
and
nobody appeared.
Eventually the door opened and Jimmy Hornby
( a winger)
appeared.
Somewhat surprised Karalius looked at him and the
winger said
"Actually I'm from Billinge, is it okay if I go?"
Got this story from 'Blood, sweat and tears' a book about
the rise of
Wigan in the early 80's
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Pop Cider, Widnes |
Widnes Vikings |
1970 |
22/01/2005 |
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Les Boyd must have been very easy to wind up due
to the nature of his 'girlie' voice.
Mills was a cross section
of hard
and mad.
But hardest Pom has to be VK and Ray Price always
put his body
on the line, especially those bandaged knees.
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Aviron, Cardiff, Wales |
St Helens |
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Watched Vinty play for Saints many times. Hardest man ever on
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T3, England |
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Owd Vinty is in an old Saint Helens team photo on
the wall of a pub near me. He is bigger than any one else on the photo
by miles.
When he was playin for Widnes him and a guy by the name of Mick Addams
lined up at a scrum. Castleford was the opponants on the wrong end of
it all. As the scrum packe the young up and comin Half Back for Cas
walked over. Mick only been small told him that every time he touched
the ball him and Vinty where gunna kill him.
A bit cocky and a bit green
around the ears the said cheeky boy replyed "Yer! And whos this Vinty
then?" Just the he stood up out the back of the scrum.
The young number 7 lernt qucikly that day and said he bairly touched it
all day.
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Fraser, his elbow ballooning to three times normal size, landed
a goal to put the game out of reach. Later he,
Karalius, Challinor and Prescott
joined Bolton in the emergency ward at Brisbane General.
From Memorable Match
No 17 - Click here to read more
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